This is really funny.
At least it is until you start reading stuff like this post.
Fifteen paragraphs. Seriously, can’t we find anything better to argue about???
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I think everyone agrees that it’s more useful to talk about what RIAs really are than to debate what the acronym stands for. I’ve taken a stab at describing some of the characteristics of RIAs:
http://www.jamesward.org/wordpress/2007/10/17/what-is-a-rich-internet-application/
I’d love to hear what others think.
BTW: I use both the Interactive and Internet (actually “Connected”) terms to describe the characteristics of RIAs. Does that mean I’m siding with Scott? 😉
-James (Adobe)
I’m less concerned with defining them than just creating them. 🙂
Seriously. I have started reading several such posts and can’t get past the first few pages–I totally don’t understand.
Does anyone even care? Is there something at stake here? If it’s just a debate about which to use moving forward–then, fine… people are welcome to argue about it. I don’t care to… but whatever. If there’s something more to it I’d like to know.
“App” … FTW!
I never user-stood how the term RIA was born. It just seemed to flood into my conscience one day. I guess its just a new word for the people who like to say Web 2.0.
Marketing people care.
My understanding of what’s all behind it… Jeremy Allaire apparently coined the term at Macromedia. Since then, RIAs have exploded, but Macromedia/Adobe have pretty much attached themselves to the term “Rich Internet Application”. Now Microsoft wants to enter the RIA field, but somehow they seem to think they need to redefine the acronym so it’s not an Adobe thing. So there are all kinds of arguments over what it really means and which one is more correct and appropriate, but it’s really all about peeing on the ground to mark your territory.
I’m with Kp
I work hard every day to build world class RIA’s, but you can call them what you like 🙂
The only thing you really could debate here is when does dynamic webpage become an RIA, and when does a less functional RIA become a webpage. But even that is a waste of time…
Kp is right again when he says “Marketing people care.”
“Seriously. I have started reading several such posts and can’t get past the first few pages–I totally don’t understand.” – I can’t get past the small font and italics.
Oh… but if Microsoft wants to take RIA (with the “I” applied to Internet or Interactive) I don’t see how it separates them or makes it any more legit or less legit… or, still, why anyone would care.
Now, I kept seeing MSRIA which is funny if you pronounce it: Misery-a
This whole argument gets taken to the next level when Ryan Stewart and Scott Barnes go head-to-head over the same arguement over at Clarity – Gold!
http://blogs.claritycon.com/blogs/kevin_marshall/archive/2007/10/17/3317.aspx
You know the MSFT guy is me, and the other guy is Andrew Spaulding but now I wonder why he was chosen as clearly it should of been Ryan 🙂
I agree, it got crazy quick and what can you do about it? thus i shut the comments down on the posts via my blog, as well.. *dead horse*..”Let’s kick it again!”.. 🙂
Anyway, I think more in depth discussions like James has put forward are required before anyone can delcate a viral marketing term concrete evidence of where RIA is heading next. I prefer James’s approach to this topic rather than “Microsoft’s trying to take over the world and did you see the sky was falling” emotionally charged responses? *shrug*
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Scott Barnes
RIA Evangelist
Microsoft.
omg. hot topic.
yall should check out ken perlins home page. its awesome.
Why the argument about the acronym? Microsoft is really lucky Internet and Interactive both start with the same letter. Let your product be known for its high quality, usability, and functionality, not for lousy arguments over things that, at the end, all mean the same.
this topic is the nerd equivalent to paris hilton being in prison. Nobody should care but it’s all anyone talks about.
The funniest part to me is that applications by default are interactive. What is an application without interaction? On another not they could compromise and just call them rich internactive applications.
I’m still trying to work out how to pronounce “RIA”, much less know what it stands for.
Actually, Scott, we drew it up to look like an argument between Brad Pitt and Matthew McConaughey. I’ll leave it up to you to work out which one is wearing glasses.
Not only did Scott shut down the comments but he deleted a lot of the previously approved comments, including mine. (which I quoted on Ryan Stewarts post on the subject http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=1080). The nastiness here goes beyond what RIA actually stands for.
– Randy